After a lot of analysis, quite a few good debates on skill versus luck, and a lot of feedback from many of the regular players of Cribbage Pro Online, we are happy to announce a completely new points system for multiplayer games that is now live effective immediately. This new points system is a lot different compared to the old system, and as such probably needs a little explaining so that everyone can have confidence in what to expect when they play.
At the heart of the new system is points being given out based on how dramatically you win against your opponent. Points are awarded based off of the cribbage board position, and more specifically based on the "block" or 5 point section that the losers peg is in relative to the winning player (which on a game played to completion is always the last block with the peg out hole of course). We calculate the difference between that winning peg and the losers peg and determine how many "blocks" or sections on the cribbage board that peg is away from the winning peg. Next time you play, pay attention to which score block you are in, as each 5 point score block section will change the points awarded or taken away, so every time you get a block ahead of your opponent, you stand to get more points awarded for winning. If you are losing, then trying to get to that next block before the game is over could save you a lot of points as well.
Before we get into specifics, another big change is that the same number of points you can win is the same that is lost by the other player. With that, pictured in the table and chart below is the breakdown of points awarded by that "block" mentioned above (there are 24 blocks plus a final hole for 121 on our game board).
You will see that special consideration is given to the "Double Skunk", "Skunk" and if you lose by only one point (designated as block "25").
Along with this new system for determining the points to be awarded when you win, or that are taken away when you lose, is a new "Maximum Points Possible" calculation. This is a bit more complicated, but the picture you should probably have in your mind is that of a bucket of points that each unique opponent you play has to share points with you. This maximum is based on each match-up you have, each opponent you play against, and is calculated based on two different systems.
The first maximum score limiting system is used when you have played 10 games or less against the same opponent. For those first 10 games you play against someone, when you win we determine what I'll call a "game win delta" or a maximum number of games you have won more than the other player - your "play advantage" if you will. So if you have won 7 games against them in the past, and they have only won 2 (a total of 9 games), your advantage is 5 games (losers games of 2 won subtracted from winners 7). The breakdown of that maximum points possible in your match-up is as shown below.
So, if you are really beating up your opponent game after game, there is now a diminishing return on your wins. What this really is doing is gauging your skill relative to that specific opponent and awarding you less if you are already the most likely winner and it will subsequently award you more if you were being trounced before but finally manage to get a win (as your delta or advantage will be negative).
That system of maximum points for 10 or less games will be the one that most people will encounter as they play because of the numerous people playing and possible opponents you will face. However, for those that play more than 10 games against the same opponent, there needs to be consideration given beyond just a "games advantage", and this is where a percentage based system becomes more relevant and that is what is used.
Here is how the percentage system is used to calculate your maximum points possible.
As you can see, we calculate the win % of the person who lost the game (prior to adding in that loss) and use that to determine a maximum number of points won or lost. If the loser wins 46% or more against the winner, then all the points are available, but from 45% on down that maximum will slowly drop all the way down to 5 points maximum if the winner wins nearly all the time (85% or more of the time to be exact). So again, if you are always winning against that person, then it is expected that you will continue to win and there is a diminishing return on that win as you continue to prove yourself superior.
UPDATE: Also note that after the first 10 games you play against someone, all "skunks" will count as 2 games and any "double skunks" will count as 3 games when calculating this maximum points possible (not in your game stats or anywhere else, only for this purpose).
I'm sure there are those that will ask why we did all this, and why it is so complicated. Well, we really didn't want to make it this complicated, but we were forced into it by simply examining the system we use today and coming to an understanding where it was simply not being fair to everyone. Too many people were forced to play only certain levels of other players or risk being docked huge amounts of points for losing. Similarly, someone who only plays their spouse may be able to accumulate points rapidly if they were a cribbage expert and the spouse not so much.
Is this new system perfect? No, I highly doubt it is perfect, but I do believe it is a good step in the right direction. What that means is that this will probably not be the last change you see to the points system, but hopefully it means that future changes will just be tweaks here and there.
If you have comments, thoughts or suggestions on this new system please let us know in the comments or email us at firstname.lastname@example.org
Although I have not yet seen the change 'in action', I am loudly applauding the effort and the amount of consideration that has gone into this -- thank you.ReplyDelete
Thanks "dph", I really appreciate your comments. I think you will like the changes and improvements too.ReplyDelete
Josh, awesome work, buddy. The new scoring system is awesome. I will continue to purchase future apps you make.ReplyDelete
Hi Dom, thanks for the comments and support.ReplyDelete
The section about "The first maximum score limiting system" confuses me.ReplyDelete
You say that it "is used when you have played 10
games or less against the same opponent".
Yet in the example you talk about having won 10 games and having lost 5 games against the opponent.
Is it a badly chosen example or is it in fact used also after the first 10 games in parallel with the second score limiting system?
You are right, that was a miss on my part. We had originally set that "games played" limit at 20 instead of 10 and I did not update that example to match. I have just updated it now with some extra clarification and fixed the example to add up correctly.ReplyDelete
My question still isn't in your FAQ at what score do you advance levels I've been playing religiously for months and am still at level 0?ReplyDelete
Hi, you can find the answer to that in the FAQ on the game web site here: http://www.cribbagepro.net/faq-how-to.html#q11ReplyDelete
Me too on Multiplayer, yet my husband who has a lower % and plays a lot less than me is a level 2. What the heck??ReplyDelete
The link given below (http://www.cribbagepro.net/faq-how-to.html#q11) has the levels breakdown and the points explained here show how number of games and won percentage would only be one part of the equation.ReplyDelete
I also had that problem and realized you have to check the box that says points it's in the area after you hit creat game and it asks you to chat or not. I hope I helped you. We live this game maybe we will see you on. My player name is cmlounsb. And I play under my wife's name my name is Larry.ReplyDelete
I was telling one of the players if you points are not being rated you need to check the box where it says chat there is another box there that says points rated check that box and your points will rate. I found that our because I wasn't getting my points rated either. Hope to see you playing. My players name is cmlounsb. My name is Larry. Good luck everyone. Love this game.ReplyDelete
If my delta is 6 then my max points is 80 -- does that mean that I will only notice the points-reduction if I skunk (or double-skunk my opponent) i.e., do you simply take my points earned and then cap them by the limit OR do you take my points earned and scale them down?ReplyDelete
If you have a games delta of 6 in the first 10 games (meaning games are 7 to 1 for example), then yes it is a maximum of 80 points. The maximum is a "cap" and not some kind of scaled reduction of points. It is only the maximum points you could earn. So if you would have scored more than 80 points (like you say, if you skunk them or anything above "Block Delta" 7 in the diagram), then the system will put the hard limit of 80 instead of anything more.ReplyDelete
My Level and Points total appear to have froze. Neither have changed after playing several games. Anyone else had this problem or know how to fix please?ReplyDelete
I don't lvl up, there is a bug in your system, fix it.ReplyDelete
Can you add a head to head record somewhere in the game play screen so we can know our history against a given opponent?ReplyDelete
Hi, thanks for the suggestion. It is definitely something we have considered adding, but I don't have a release yet planned for it. It is on the list of things we want to add in.ReplyDelete
I seem "stuck" at level 50, no matter how many wins I pile up. Is there a minimum number of games that must be played before I can advance again? I have played 1461 multiplayer games and have won 78 of them.ReplyDelete
I meant I won 778 of them :)ReplyDelete
I'm assuming you are asking why your level is at 50 and not going up even though your points are going up (assuming also your points are going up). The answer is that the points and level system has different "break points" along the way, and the one at 50 is one of the bigger steps up to get to level 51. You can see the breakdown here: http://www.cribbagepro.net/faq-how-to.html#q11ReplyDelete
Exactly. Please post at what score you advance to level 1, level, 2, level 3......ReplyDelete